This is an 8 minute recap of the first 4 episodes.
[00:00:09] [SPEAKER_00]: At this point you've heard from Amy Betcher, Ivan Cantu, Amy's stepdad Mr. Kramer and Ivan's ex-girlfriend, Tawny.
[00:00:18] [SPEAKER_00]: While Kramer believes Amy, Tawny believes Ivan.
[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_00]: So this capital murder comes down to a case of he said, she said.
[00:00:28] [SPEAKER_00]: And this seems like a good place to recap exactly what Ivan said and what Amy said and where we're at so far.
[00:00:35] [SPEAKER_00]: And I will warn you, this can get pretty dense. You gotta pay attention. But let's give it a go.
[00:00:44] [SPEAKER_00]: On November 2nd 2000, both Ivan and Amy agreed a gun was fired into the wall in their apartment.
[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_00]: But Amy said it was Ivan's gun and he pulled it out during an argument and fired it over her head into the wall.
[00:00:58] [SPEAKER_00]: To show her he meant business.
[00:01:00] [SPEAKER_00]: While Ivan said a guy dressed like a Domino's Pizza Man came over, said his cousin owed them a lot of money for drugs,
[00:01:08] [SPEAKER_00]: showed him a list of names that were gonna get it if his cousin didn't pay up and the pizza man fired the shot into the wall.
[00:01:17] [SPEAKER_00]: November 3rd at about 1130pm that Friday night, both Ivan and Amy agreed, Ivan called James and told him he was coming over.
[00:01:28] [SPEAKER_00]: Ivan said he was going to warn James about the pizza man situation.
[00:01:32] [SPEAKER_00]: But Amy said Ivan told her he was going to go over to kill James and James' fiance, Amy Kitchen.
[00:01:40] [SPEAKER_00]: Both Ivan and Amy agreed, Ivan came back around 45 minutes later, about 12.15am driving Amy Kitchen's Mercedes.
[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_00]: Ivan said he agreed to drive the Mercedes the rest of the evening because James told him he owed someone a lot of money
[00:01:57] [SPEAKER_00]: and wanted Ivan to leave his Honda outside James house to appear like he had company in case anyone was coming over to do him harm.
[00:02:06] [SPEAKER_00]: Ivan said he got home in the Mercedes, waited a few minutes for Amy Betcher to finish up getting ready and they went out for the evening.
[00:02:13] [SPEAKER_00]: While Amy said Ivan came back with blood on him, wearing latex gloves.
[00:02:19] [SPEAKER_00]: Remember she said that in all her statements but on the stand at trial she had never seen the latex gloves before.
[00:02:26] [SPEAKER_00]: Amy said he also had blood in his hair and on the gun and she said Ivan said this is my favorite gun.
[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_00]: She said Ivan had James and Amy Kitchen's IDs and their car keys.
[00:02:38] [SPEAKER_00]: Amy said Ivan took off his bloody jeans and socks and latex gloves and he put them in the kitchen trash can.
[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_00]: She also said Ivan was wearing James' shirt and shoes but it's uncertain where those went and why those did not end up in the trash can with the jeans and the socks.
[00:02:56] [SPEAKER_00]: Amy said Ivan showered up and put on fresh clothes and then they left the apartment.
[00:03:01] [SPEAKER_00]: They both agreed they went over to Smiley's house party.
[00:03:05] [SPEAKER_00]: Smiley was a drug dealer and they bought some coke and ecstasy.
[00:03:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Then about 2am they both agreed they went over to James and Amy Kitchen's house.
[00:03:14] [SPEAKER_00]: Ivan said he went over to return Amy Kitchen's Mercedes because a tire was losing air but James wanted him to continue leaving his Honda parked out front to make it look like he had company.
[00:03:25] [SPEAKER_00]: So Ivan and Amy Betcher left in James Corvette.
[00:03:28] [SPEAKER_00]: But Amy Betcher said at this point James and Amy Kitchen were already dead.
[00:03:34] [SPEAKER_00]: She said that Ivan took her at gunpoint back into the house.
[00:03:37] [SPEAKER_00]: She saw the dead bodies in the back bedroom and dry heaved.
[00:03:41] [SPEAKER_00]: She said Ivan searched the house for drugs and cash and made her look as well.
[00:03:46] [SPEAKER_00]: She said Ivan grabbed his cell phone, shirt and shoes which he left there during the murders.
[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_00]: He put the shirt and shoes in a garbage bag to later be tossed into a dumpster.
[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_00]: She said Ivan did not find any drugs or cash to steal and they both left.
[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_00]: But she said Ivan drove away in James Corvette and she drove Ivan's Honda back to their apartment.
[00:04:09] [SPEAKER_00]: Ivan agreed he left in the Corvette but he said Amy Betcher was with him in the Corvette.
[00:04:15] [SPEAKER_00]: He said the Honda remained at James and Amy Kitchen's house.
[00:04:19] [SPEAKER_00]: But they both agreed they went back to the apartment and their neighbor Steve testified to seeing them there.
[00:04:24] [SPEAKER_00]: And Ivan changing CDs in the back of the Corvette around this time, about 2.30 am.
[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_00]: As well at trial Steve testified that he did not see the Honda in the parking lot.
[00:04:36] [SPEAKER_00]: Lending credence to Ivan's story and that Amy rode back with him in the Corvette.
[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_00]: Amy said while they were at the apartment Ivan proposed to her with a diamond ring and she said yes.
[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_00]: While Ivan said at some point during the night Amy started wearing a fake CZ ring that she got from her friend Reina.
[00:04:57] [SPEAKER_00]: They both agreed they told people they bumped into that night they were engaged.
[00:05:02] [SPEAKER_00]: Though Ivan said she started wearing that ring because she told him they would need to tell her parents in Arkansas they were engaged to be able to sleep in the same bed.
[00:05:12] [SPEAKER_00]: Back to the timeline they both agreed after the apartment they went to club 7 and a few more house parties and they were doing drugs.
[00:05:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Ivan said around 6.30 am they went back to James and Amy Kitchen's and dropped off the Corvette and he drove the Honda back to their apartment.
[00:05:31] [SPEAKER_00]: Ivan said he saw Amy Kitchen alive at 6.30 am as she met them in the garage.
[00:05:36] [SPEAKER_00]: But Amy Betcher said they were out partying until about 10 am and Ivan drove the Corvette back to their apartment.
[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_00]: They both agreed that they were back at their apartment only a few short hours and they packed up the Honda and they drove the Honda to Arkansas.
[00:05:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Ivan said they left at 10.30 am and Amy said they left at noon.
[00:05:59] [SPEAKER_00]: And the big difference being Ivan said when they left the Corvette was back at James's house.
[00:06:05] [SPEAKER_00]: And Amy said the Corvette was parked outside of their apartment.
[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_00]: You'll remember the Corvette hit a toll tag at 11.15 am.
[00:06:14] [SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't line up with either of their timelines.
[00:06:17] [SPEAKER_00]: Regardless they were on the road to Arkansas by noon and at 4.30 that afternoon, November 4th,
[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_00]: the bodies of James Mosqueda and Amy Kitchen were found shot to death in their bedroom.
[00:06:30] [SPEAKER_00]: Once Ivan and Amy got to Arkansas around 8.30 pm, they're in basic agreement of the events from Arkansas up to Ivan's arrest.
[00:06:39] [SPEAKER_00]: That evening, Amy introduced Ivan to her mom and stepdad for the first time and showed them the engagement ring.
[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_00]: The next day, November 5th, police found James Corvette parked outside of Ivan and Amy's apartment.
[00:06:54] [SPEAKER_00]: Ivan talked to family, friends and detective Wynn on the phone while in Arkansas.
[00:06:59] [SPEAKER_00]: They spent three days there and they came back to Dallas on November 7th.
[00:07:04] [SPEAKER_00]: But earlier that day on the 7th, the police had gotten a search warrant and went inside Ivan and Amy's apartment.
[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_00]: They found bloody jeans and bloody socks, bullets matching the crime scene and James and Amy's car keys in Ivan's closet.
[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_00]: While the latex gloves were in the picture with the jeans and socks, they were never taken into evidence.
[00:07:24] [SPEAKER_00]: Then on November 8th, Ivan was arrested and after Ivan's ex-girlfriend, Tawny, dropped off Amy at the airport to go back to Arkansas.
[00:07:34] [SPEAKER_00]: Amy told Tawny, you need to look around, Ivan may have left something and handed her $1,500.
[00:07:41] [SPEAKER_00]: Tawny went back home and discovered the murder weapon, a .380 caliber pistol, a box of bullets and a baggie of drugs under the couch cushion.
[00:07:50] [SPEAKER_00]: And that's basically where we're at after episode 4. Thank you for listening.